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[Kumapix]

 Originally Posted By: thursday.

Actually Kuma, GN's comments were addressed to this:

 Originally Posted By: Fattwins

MB that was an idiot comment period. You no crap about snowpack safety really and im sorry you shouldnt be talking about it period!
Be an armchair quarterback but at least know something!
Ill leave it at that untill I know more!

I know. I thought I had covered that in my post...

[samurai]

Once again,
keep the grammar rules up, mates. I can understand why one person thinks they're being blamed for not knowing squat about snow-dynamics and another thinking they're being blamed for not knowing the facts about the situation. It took kuma to come in and explain it all. I for one was lost the whole time. Kuma knows FT and can interject tone.

I think 10,000+ posts = loosing all bility 2 keep it makin eny since.

[Go Native]

I just thought FT was getting a little harsh with a contributor to this forum and pointing out that it's not up him to be telling others whether they should or should not be talking about something. If MB wants to contribute who is FT to tell her not to?
Just because he's spent a fair portion of his life contributing to this forum doesn't mean, at least as far as I am concerned, that he can tell others what they can discuss.
And Kumapix it's not about whether or not I want to read a long thread about avalanches with contributions by those who know little. It's about who is FT or any of us besides those who run and moderate this forum to tell others not to contribute.
Whether he means to or not with comments like those directed at MB, FT comes across as an arrogant ass.

[Big Dogg]

For anyone interested in the Tsugaike report that SLOW posted:
Police are still investigating the incident, so there is no official report. From Tsugaike Resort: patrol always confirms that each course is safe before opening the lifts every day. (There is no mention of closed courses or dealing with areas around courses within the resort that might affect the courses set to be open.) Courses deemed to be in danger of avalanches will be closed off by a "????"(Do not enter) sign, not an avalanche warning sign (though I still maintain that some resorts unnecessarily use the latter). They go on to say that they will take preventitive measures so that this will not happen again. And that they maintain a "protect yourself" attitude, perhaps meaning that you are responsible for your own actions rather than being policed by patrol.

[Big Dogg]

sorry about the ???? - I dont know how to make the kanjis post. the sign says "tachi-iri-kinshi"

[ger]

 Originally Posted By: Go Native

I just thought FT was getting a little harsh with a contributor to this forum...

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Seems pretty clear if you go back and read what MB said and what FT said. Someone forget to take their meds?

[Indo]

 Originally Posted By: samurai

It took kuma to come in and explain it all. I for one was lost the whole time. Kuma knows FT and can interject tone.

I don't really think Kuma cleared anything up.
The tone was pretty clear to me..

[dizzy]

it's been posted before and it's being posted again

[Tesselator]

 Originally Posted By: Big Dogg

For anyone interested in the Tsugaike report that SLOW posted:
Police are still investigating the incident, so there is no official report. From Tsugaike Resort: patrol always confirms that each course is safe before opening the lifts every day. (There is no mention of closed courses or dealing with areas around courses within the resort that might affect the courses set to be open.) Courses deemed to be in danger of avalanches will be closed off by a "????"(Do not enter) sign, not an avalanche warning sign (though I still maintain that some resorts unnecessarily use the latter). They go on to say that they will take preventitive measures so that this will not happen again. And that they maintain a "protect yourself" attitude, perhaps meaning that you are responsible for your own actions rather than being policed by patrol.

Yes, according to the kanji post by Slow there was no "Avalanche Warning" sign posted.
Only a "Keep Out" sign and the entrance was netted off.

It was a group of 9 people. 7 Students and 2 part-time teachers. 7 people passed
beyond the "keep out" sign including the two teachers and were caught in the slide.
Two people didn't make it. I haven't read any detailed interviews but I guess they
just spaced it off instead of deliberately disobeying the signage. I mean two were
teachers right? They probably wouldn't say "Ah screw it, let's fly... Weeee...." if
they were with and responsible for 5 students.

Something I find rather incredible about this though. I've worked at more than a
few ski resorts in snow management and etc. and avalanche conditions are usually
very very obvious. If you're going to open a resort with an unsafe run you always
ALWAYS want to post one or two individuals near the entrance to the dangerous
area! Just posting a sign and putting up a net is entirely irresponsible IMO. I've
never seen that happen before!

Many people just don't look or think the netting is for other purposes - and then
there are kids and stuff.

If this were the USA this would be a huge negligence suit! It may yet be here too.

Simply ridiculous!

[thursday]

Well, Fatts has a wealth of knowledge about these things and he can share and educate. Instead he chooses to say 'shut the fxxx up' to people who want to share and learn. Fair enough, shut the xxxx up if your comments are intended to be authorative on the subject but are based on nothing. But Fatts' approach aint the way to go.

Shut the xxxx up if you are potentially putting lives at danger. Shut the xxx up if you are potentially gonna put peoples' life savings into jeoperdy.(<--spelling?)

Mamabear wanted to share, she was slammed unnecessarily. Fatts, you got to work on your EQ. And spelling and grammar for that matter.

[Tesselator]

 Originally Posted By: Fattwins

This did not happen inbounds it happened in the Back Country.

You sure? The article I read called it a "course". Specifically: 林間 コース　Which I took to
mean wooded course. This would be different than "off-course" right?


There are usually posts (often a small shack or other) near the mouth of any course
(or trouble area) that may be problematic during the season. Especially if it might
be subject avalanche conditions but also at popular points where kids hop out of the
park. Not stationing a minimum wager at these points with snow condition info and
instructions to keep n00bs out I still maintain is VERY negligent.


@Thursday
As to knowing enough to comment on the topic I guess since that was my job for a
number of years, I qualify.

[thursday]

Hold on pal, Fatts said he'd not comment on the avie until the facts are known.

[Tesselator]

Huh? What are you talking about? Who is Fatts... And who cares if he comments or not?

huh? did I miss something here, again?

[thursday]

nah, just a joke Tesselator.

[thursday]

but then again............

[Tesselator]

 Originally Posted By: Go Native

...an arrogant ass.

Some one call me?


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Huh? What'd ya say Thursday?

[Samui Kitsune]

Are you guys still throwing the soybeans?

[Tesselator]

Isn't that reserved for when you get married?

[Kumapix]

you guys are mixing up the avalanches. The Tsugaike avy is discussed here:
http://www.snowjapanforums.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/257263/gonew/1#UNREAD

this thread was about the avy mentioned in Hakuba Now! last week

[SG]

getting back on topic: the Goryu South Face ridgeline avi.

I guess what people want to know is was there someone we know involved in it? i.e a forum member or an associate of forum member?
It could have been local gaijin, out of town gaijin or overseas gaijin or it could have been local Japanese or out of town Japanese. The radio silence 5 days later would indicate its someone we don't know or perhaps if it is someone known they want to keep the incident a private matter?
The details of the incident would be useful to anyone who goes back country to add to their brains database of info
They were obviously well equipped as they saved their friends life which is probably the biggest lesson to be learned.