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why dont you just watch it on youtube?
you dont get a fancy certificate but you save yourself a few hundred dollars and get like 95% of the experience.

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^^^ Wrong.

You don't get avi education for the certificate. It is for obtaining knowledge and then gaining experience of applying that knowledge in the field: doing a realistic rescue practice, for example. One of the most important parts of dealing with avalanche hazard is terrain management. This can't be taught in books or videos, you have to get experience travelling through the BC safely, preferably with somebody with a lot of backcountry experience. Watching a video doesn't give you any experience, only knowledge.

If you want to gain knowledge, videos are a good place to start. Even better is to go through the free online course that the Canadian Avalanche Association does and / or read Bruce Tremper's Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain. This is just a start, however, you have to apply that knowledge in the backcountry and gain experience. In fact, most of the avalanche safety videos make a point of saying that the video is not enough and that you need to get some education.

If you end up not taking the course, watching the videos and reading up on avalanches is better than nothing. Just don't expect that to be anywhere near equal to the experience you will gain taking an actual avalanche safety course.

Not wanting to miss ski days by taking a course is a problem, especially if you are on are short holiday. The course is still really fun though and there is a different pleasure you can get from improving your avalanche awareness and travelling more safely in the backcountry. Maybe do it a different year in a different place where you don't have to travel from Rusutsu to Niseko to do the course. Maybe spend some time in Niseko or Hakuba, where they do courses.

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you dont need to tell me any of that. i already recommended the 4 day course in NZ. everyone else has already said what you've said.

im simply saying if he's not gonna do the actual course, why not watch it online which for day 1 of ast1 is sitting in a classroom listening to a guy talk. 95% of the experience.
day 2 is the only difference and you still gain tons of knowledge watching them dig the pits etc.

its far better watching the whole ast1 course on youtube than not watching it at all.

how is that wrong.

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Haha, except I 'aint an avi educator. No extra pocket money for me unfortunately.

Please fogive the tendencies of a pedant. I wasn't trying to tell this stuff to you. Instead it was directed at the other people reading this thread without avi education who might have gotten the wrong idea from your post.

I agree that watching the videos is better than nothing and I even said that in my post above as well. Saying that you get 95% of the experience of the course from watching a video is just a misrepresentation, however. Agreed, day 1 is just gaining knowledge as it is normally just a lecture and could be learned by reading, and probably in more depth too. Day 2 is in the field though and you can only gain experience by doing it, not watching a video. That's pretty self explanatory. So you don't really gain any of the experience watching it, just the knowledge. We are arguing semantics, but it is still important to make the distinction.

Better than taking a course, which is only really a very basic starting point, would be to find a friend who is experienced in the backcountry and willing to go touring with you. Experience of making good decisions in the backcountry far outweighs any learning from a book or in a classroom. The alternative is booking some time with a qualified backcountry guide but that could get expensive.

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Yeah any info is good I am happy learning from any source I am more knowledgeable this trip than I have ever been so alls good

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just wanted to share that during a beacon test in greenland with my team that my old bca tracker was by far the worst performing beacon compared to everyone elses new ones.
im definitely upgrading to a newer one.

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In the end, bought a Mammut Baryvox Element beacon. It was highly recommended to me by friends, plus in sale a few weeks ago (when I bought it).

Next, probe and shovel!

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Great work Sapporo!

I've also just kitted out with a beacon. One for me, one for PB.
Pieps dsp Pro.
Also got a backcountry pack, probe and shovel for PB for Fathers Day.
I've got a pack....hoping someone buys me the probe and shovel for Christmas :D

Hope I never need them :)




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