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Not specifically iphone but I don't really understand this sim free thing.
Can someone explain it simply for a dunce like me?
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I'm going to guess that it's not quite as simple as sticking your existing nano sim into a new unlocked iphone!

Hate all things to do with phone contracts. Totally don't understand it all.

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View PostKarnidge, on 10 September 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Not specifically iphone but I don't really understand this sim free thing.
Can someone explain it simply for a dunce like me?
:)

SIM free is when you buy a phone, without a contract from a phone company. You buy just the phone, no SIM card. At this point the phone is useless as a phone, until you put a SIM card in it can't connect to the network and make calls.
There are a number of reasons to do this,
1. You own the phone, so can move between phone companies if you get contract from the company that doesn't tie you to a fixed period.
2. The phones come unlocked, so can be used on different networks.
3. Reduces the monthly cost of your phone bill because you are not paying off the phone, although you do have to pay for the phone in one lump sum when buying it.

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But presumably if I go overseas and use an overseas network, I can't use my usual phone number. :doh:

Can you just continue with a sim card from au (like I have now) and the charges remain the same?

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I wouldn't be surprised if the 'sim-free' thing won't be offered in Japan. Obviously, if you buy the phone overseas it will but if you buy it domestically...?
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It is.

It's on the Japanese apple site.

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Looks like the 5S had it as well.

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View Postonehunga, on 10 September 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

View PostKarnidge, on 10 September 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Not specifically iphone but I don't really understand this sim free thing.
Can someone explain it simply for a dunce like me?
:)

SIM free is when you buy a phone, without a contract from a phone company. You buy just the phone, no SIM card. At this point the phone is useless as a phone, until you put a SIM card in it can't connect to the network and make calls.
There are a number of reasons to do this,
1. You own the phone, so can move between phone companies if you get contract from the company that doesn't tie you to a fixed period.
2. The phones come unlocked, so can be used on different networks.
3. Reduces the monthly cost of your phone bill because you are not paying off the phone, although you do have to pay for the phone in one lump sum when buying it.


Thanks, I guess the problem in Japan though is that 3. isn't much of a goer.
The data plan for someone with a new handset bought from that carrier includes a discount that covers most or all of the cost of the set.
You do not get that discount if you provide your own set, whether sim free or second hand, so there is no real reduction in monthly cost.


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I can't quite get my head round this either.

On my current au contract, I pay 3000 yen a month for the hardware I bought nearly 2 years ago. It tells me on the last invoice that I have 1 more month presumably to go. So I am paying for the hardware... just over 24 months? Surely from the month after, all other things being equal, my bill will be 3000 yen left as I have fulfilled that?

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With au, there is a thing called the "monthly discount". Its a stupid name because you only get it while paying off a phone.
So once your phone is paid off, your bill goes down by the amount you were paying for the phone and goes up due to the loss of the monthly discount.
For cheaper phones, the monthly discount covers the cost of the phone, so the bill stays the same once the handset is paid off.
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Yes sadly you cant expect for your bill to go down just because you have paid off for the phone.

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I think the companies are all as bad as each other though, au docomo and softbank.
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Damn.

I went and asked. Once I have paid off the remaining 3000 yen....not only will my bill not decrease by 3000 yen, but it will actually increase!

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I "love" it with phone companies here that you can't cancel your contract anytime once you have exceeded the term length; you have a window period to check out of that SOB before you're locked into the same contract for another full term. same with internet and other contracts too, actually. It would never fly back in Blighty.

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Rather than reward you for being a long term customer, they ask you to take your pants down and bend over for a good shafting.
The other companies don't seem to provide much incentive to join up either.
It is all very curious.

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But thanks to this thread I went in at lunchtime and found out that I could save 1500 yen a month by downgrading my data pack. Turns out over the last 6 months I have never used over 2GB, and so I downgraded to that amount.

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I have a question.

OK so I am going to get a dekai iphone 6, and stay with au, the complete bastards.

But I can't work out how much worse off I'd be if I got a sim free.. rather than buy through au.

Looking at the au site now, for example I can get a iphone 5s for 68,040 yen (2835 yen x 24 months).
Or is it 24,850 yen over 24 months with effectvely 1800 yen off per month.
It's unclear if that is if I join up for a new data plan or not. Is that waribiki available for current customers just moving to the new phone? Or would I effectively be pying 68040 for the phone over 24 months?

Can someone clear that one up for me. My head is confused.
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