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#272078 - Mon May 26 2008 08:41 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: SG]
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Originally Posted By: SG
"For him to come out of it, then it's just another great example of what has happened with safety over the years," Sir Jackie Stewart said. "If it had been in my day he wouldn't have walked away from that. Not a hope in hell. Watching it and seeing how deeply it was buried was just atrocious. It's a miracle really because there was no deceleration at all. The car just went straight."


Wouldn't it be good if our consumer grade cars had some of this technology and didn't fold up like a deck of cards at the slightest dent...
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#272080 - Mon May 26 2008 08:46 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Awesome race! Daytime for me too...
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#272097 - Mon May 26 2008 09:43 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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I'm not quite clear if I understand you.

I have a monster scar on my face from hitting the dashboard as an unrestrained child in about 1961.

The technology has moved substantially since then.
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#272111 - Mon May 26 2008 10:43 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Good one to watch that.

For all Monaco's lack of overtaking etc, it often give us a fair bit of entertainment.
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#272114 - Mon May 26 2008 11:14 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Originally Posted By: soubriquet
I'm not quite clear if I understand you.

I have a monster scar on my face from hitting the dashboard as an unrestrained child in about 1961.

The technology has moved substantially since then.

I mean that if I crash at 100km into something solid in a modern car I have a really good chance of dying. If I did the same in a F1 car it is quite likely would be I'd walk away unscathed.

Lets make F1 safety available in modern cars.
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#272117 - Mon May 26 2008 11:43 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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Anybody still driving around without a blet and without airbags all round?

I changed my car from a dual airbag model to an 11 bag allround bouncing balloon model.

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#272118 - Mon May 26 2008 11:52 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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Modern cars are safe.

Thankfully the Morris Marina is a thing of the past. My ex- wifes's father thought this piece of shite was England's masterpiece.

The VW Beetle pumps carbon monoxide directly into the cabin from the exhaust system. You'd have thought that Germans would have learned from their experience of mobile gas chambers, but these things are still in production.

Other than the German Shitheap, modern cars are safe.
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#272127 - Mon May 26 2008 12:15 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Originally Posted By: soubriquet
Modern cars are safe.

Compared with the cell technology of F1 cars consumer cars are hopeless. F1 technology costs heaps more, so this is the real issue. If you are going to race a consumer car on the race track the first thing you have to do is fit a roll cage. Nuff said.

Originally Posted By: soubriquet
The VW Beetle pumps carbon monoxide directly into the cabin from the exhaust system.

Errr, maybe not. Tell the whole story! You know, the one about which Beatles and the one about rust...


Edited by Journey Man (Mon May 26 2008 12:16 PM)
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#272134 - Mon May 26 2008 12:41 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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anybody who is rich enough and paranoid enough can get himself an armour plated Pullman. That is a road car that dents roads.

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#272135 - Mon May 26 2008 12:43 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: thursday]
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McLaren F1 has lots of carbon fibre and F1 tech. That'll probably be safe too.

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#272136 - Mon May 26 2008 12:43 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: thursday]
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Not to mention the Hummers.

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#272139 - Mon May 26 2008 12:59 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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Errr, maybe not. Tell the whole story! You know, the one about which Beatles and the one about rust...


Simple. Beetles used air-to-air heater. Whenever the exhaust leaked (which it invariably did) they blead carbon monoxide into the cabin. How do you spell "Mobile gas chamber'.
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#272201 - Mon May 26 2008 08:16 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: thursday]
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Originally Posted By: thursday.
Not to mention the Hummers.

Really? Sure Hummer against something small is a given, but Hummer against something solid? 4wd's are usually the worst performers.
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#272204 - Mon May 26 2008 08:20 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: thursday]
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Originally Posted By: thursday.
anybody who is rich enough and paranoid enough can get himself an armour plated Pullman. That is a road car that dents roads.

My implied point was if all the manufactures did it for all cars then the cost of this sort of safety wouldn't be that high.
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#272208 - Mon May 26 2008 09:23 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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hey chaps, lets get back onto the F1 2008 hey?

anyway, that was a great race to watch, watched it live via speedtv (good english commentary) at a resonable hour (japan time) on the internet (free streaming).

Raikkonen is wont be on Sutil's Xmas card list this year at all, Sutil must be absolutely gutted.

Nick Heidfield had an appalling race, 4 -5 times on the pits?
Jenson Button must be the easiest guy to overtake, even my nana could get past him.
I just know Piquet would stack it when they put slicks on his car, Alonso was barely holding it together and then they put Piquet on them, crazy stuff. Unless he improves his overall game, it will be a very quick first stint in F1 for Piquet,
Lewis must have been gutted to lose his 40 secs lead at the time, didnt matter in the end though.
Kubica is going to get a win soon, its inevitable.
Barrichello in the points - hisahiburi for that!
Webber is having great season, he will get a podium before the season is out.
Vettel, good to see him get some points.
Nakajima is quietly achieving.
Massa was Massa

Monaco is crazy race, I would love to take a lap in a sports car around it.
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#272210 - Mon May 26 2008 09:31 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: Journey Man]
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Car safety is predicated around deformable structures. That is, in an impact, the vehicle folds up and dissipates the energy. Steel has many advantages over carbon fibre (or aluminium) in that it is malleable and not brittle. The behaviour of a deformable steel box is relatively predictable compared with a brittle structure.

4WDs with separate chassis` are much "stronger" than steel monocoques. They are also much less safe to have an accident in because the impact is transferred directly to the occupants without being dissipated by the structure.
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#272331 - Tue May 27 2008 04:19 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Jenson Button must be the easiest guy to overtake, even my nana could get past him.


lol

I wonder how much he is sulking and hating Hamilton, or if they are "best buddies".

Great race to watch - at last!
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#274090 - Sun Jun 08 2008 03:38 PM Re: F1 2008 [Re: soubriquet]
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Hamilton doing ok the last few. On pole again

"Lewis Hamilton delivered a devastating last lap to claim a second successive pole for Sunday's Canadian Grand Prix.

The McLaren driver clocked one minute 17.886 seconds to better Robert Kubica's mark for BMW Sauber by more than half a second.

Kimi Raikkonen lines up third for Ferrari alongside Renault's Fernando Alonso, who did well to qualify fourth."
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#274132 - Mon Jun 09 2008 08:58 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: fukdane]
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Didn't go so well on the day though

Quote:
Robert Kubica took his and the BMW Sauber team's first Formula One victory in a dramatic Canadian Grand Prix as Lewis Hamilton crashed out in the pits.

Kubica survived an intervention by the safety car and a crumbling track that provoked errors from several drivers.

Hamilton's chances were dashed when he crashed into the back of Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen as the Finn waited on a red light at the end of the pit lane.
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#274133 - Mon Jun 09 2008 09:04 AM Re: F1 2008 [Re: big-will]
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Nasty, I bet Raikkonen wasn't too chuffed! Didn't see it myself. Fun race?

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