#287089 - Mon Oct 06 2008 02:13 PM
Aussie Dollar Tanking
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The global credit crisis is beating up the Aussie economy and dollar pretty badly. The way things are heading, it will be 20-25% more expensive for Aussies to come here this season. I wonder if this is going to have much impact on the local industry, particularly up in Hokkaido.
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#287092 - Mon Oct 06 2008 02:32 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: tripitaka]
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I bet it will have an impact on the Aussie hordes, but how much the local Hokkaido economy depends on that is another thing. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me though, our economy is in pretty good shape and our banks are better regulated and capitalised than those in the US and the Euro-zone. Why everyone is bailing out of the AUD is something I'd be happy to have explained to me... 
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#287096 - Mon Oct 06 2008 03:09 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Mamabear]
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I can still hope for a rebound in January, fingers are crossed...
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#287097 - Mon Oct 06 2008 03:34 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: keba]
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I'm hoping for a rebound just a bit before January!! I'll be in Japan 7th, so need to get some yen before then!
C'mon!!
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#287120 - Mon Oct 06 2008 05:07 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Mamabear]
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I was going to send some cash back to Aus but I think I'll wait for a while. I think 1 AUD to USD 50 cents would be a good rate. won't be long, I'm sure  I don't know exactly why things are happening as they are but a couple of these might be at play - Commodity prices are going down. Australia's current prosperity is largely commodity driven. If the US and Europe fall into a very heavy recession, China will slow down and so will its demand for Aus commodities. Factor in yet another (and quite major) manufacturing scandle and China's exports will suffer causing further downward pressure on its demand for aussie commodities. - A lot of the money Aus banks use is raised in the US. Right now with so many banks on the nose, that makes it expensive for them. This is different and in addition to the CDO assets and investment problems they share with the rest of the world. - La Nina didn't bring the break in the drought like she promised so the Aus Ag sector will still be dragging on the Aus economy. - Rudd! Need I say more? Ok, that was a cheap shot, but so far, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire and the Aus economy is largely drifting. Add to this an impending interest rate cut, which will also take some of the shine off the AUD. - There are some bargins to be had in the US at the moment. With the bail-out approved, people may well be more willing to buy some of that dodgy banking stock confident that the market has turned the corner, ala Mr. Buffet. - The AUD was doing very well because the USD was doing so badly. If the US economy has dodged a bullet, it stands to reason we will see more poeple coming back to the USD at the expense of the AUD. - This morning the rooster crowed three times and stratched the ground with it's left foot which is a probably as good a reason as any to sell the AUD and buy the USD! Some of the above is actually contradictory, but then that's the market for you.
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#287122 - Mon Oct 06 2008 05:29 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: The Imp]
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That reaaon was good.
I would think lots of people for this season have either paid some or all or at least put aside for their hols. Would take a lot to cancel hols.
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#287123 - Mon Oct 06 2008 05:33 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Mamabear]
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The income multiples in Oz and NZ make them a prime case for a property crash. It might take some time yet, but the fundamentals will out. This time is never different.
As for currencies, this looks like the carry trade unwinding. Carry trade money was a big factor in the AUD and Kiwi appreciating. Aside from the usual big players, a lot of housewives and ordinary Japanese people, referred to as "Mrs. Watanabe", have been speculating on currency fluctuations in the last few years, mainly selling yen and buying up the commodity currencies. Since summer 2007, many have been seriously burned.
I would imagine that people who can afford Niseko prices could afford 20% more and will also have friends who've not been over yet. If interest rates are falling in Oz, then I suppose mortgage repayments must be falling too. I think we're heading into a global depression though, so things don't look too rosy long term.
What do you think tripitaka?
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#287125 - Mon Oct 06 2008 05:35 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: r45]
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Aust int rates are going down, fuel is cheaper, unemployment hasn't increased any significant amount...apart from the cost of beer and lift tickets, the change in the AUD shouldn't have too big an impact.
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#287144 - Mon Oct 06 2008 06:48 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: The Imp]
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Fuel is cheaper?? Not on this planet it ain't!
My trip to Japow has just increased by around 25%!! Not much change!!! Apart from the airfares (already paid for in AUD) and our Tokyo hotel (also paid in AUD) everything else is in yen and increasing by the day!
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#287146 - Mon Oct 06 2008 07:00 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: JA]
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Sorry JA, I was talking about a different planet. 
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#287163 - Mon Oct 06 2008 08:38 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Mr Wiggles]
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The income multiples in Oz and NZ make them a prime case for a property crash. It might take some time yet, but the fundamentals will out. This time is never different.
As for currencies, this looks like the carry trade unwinding. Carry trade money was a big factor in the AUD and Kiwi appreciating. Aside from the usual big players, a lot of housewives and ordinary Japanese people, referred to as "Mrs. Watanabe", have been speculating on currency fluctuations in the last few years, mainly selling yen and buying up the commodity currencies. Since summer 2007, many have been seriously burned.
I would imagine that people who can afford Niseko prices could afford 20% more and will also have friends who've not been over yet. If interest rates are falling in Oz, then I suppose mortgage repayments must be falling too. I think we're heading into a global depression though, so things don't look too rosy long term.
What do you think tripitaka? Wigs, It will be hard for all those property companies to sell the condos in my opinion. People say that the Aussies who ski in Japan are so rich that it doesn't matter what it costs. However, it is the rich Aussies who are getting punished by the credit crisis--the business owners, the financial industry workers, the property investors. For the younger ski traveller, it's not such a big deal because you don't have a mega-mortgage to pay off or a margin trading account sending you bankrupt!
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#287181 - Mon Oct 06 2008 10:29 PM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Mamabear]
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You in fruit and veggies Mamabear, really? Do you grow them? That sounds much more exciting than what I do (office stuff).
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#287224 - Tue Oct 07 2008 08:25 AM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: Go Native]
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Thanks for all the informative explanations guys, but I'm probably never going to understand the currency market. Just cough up the extra 25% for the cost of the trip. Am glad I've already got flights booked and paid, though.
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#287229 - Tue Oct 07 2008 08:37 AM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: keba]
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You could be forking out more than 25% given what has happend on the world markets overnight.
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#287231 - Tue Oct 07 2008 08:43 AM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
[Re: -30deg]
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#287240 - Tue Oct 07 2008 09:21 AM
Re: Aussie Dollar Tanking
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You in fruit and veggies Mamabear, really? Do you grow them? That sounds much more exciting than what I do (office stuff). BOC, Grow them? LOL!!! I have a BROWN thumb! I kill the herb garden at home! (slight exaggeration) The bills are paid by the Fruit and Veg Wholesale company. Papabear started it 15 years ago, and while I have worked in the business from time to time, particularly in the beginning I tend to steer clear - not good for the relationship to work together. Have 60 staff, so it is a pretty big operation nowdays - so I am not really needed anyway. My priority for the last 17 years has been raising our 4 sons, but I DO work part time as a Deaf Sign Language Interpreter, and also responisible positions for the State and Federal Electoral Commissions during election times. I really love working the elections because it is a short period of seriously intense work - the last one I got 5 weeks work out of - exhausting but I loved every minute of it. I also love working as an interpreter because I am always doing something different, from courses to on the job training, to tupperware parties to doctors appointments to court appearances. NOW THAT is interesting work. But I don't mind office work either - if you are feeling bored you can always get up to mischief.... 
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