#290923 - Fri Nov 07 2008 01:56 AM
Re: Obama vs McCain
[Re: The Gimp]
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GG, the silly thing is that he shares none of the common history of most African Americans. He is supported purely because of the color of his skin, a repugnant reason to vote for anyone. He's half "black", half "white" - does he identify himself as one or the other? Nope. What of the white/Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/other people who voted for him? Were they supporting him because he was black?
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#290952 - Fri Nov 07 2008 08:48 AM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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'Palin didn't know Africa was a continent': McCain aides begin Republican mud-slinging in wake of defeat 
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#290962 - Fri Nov 07 2008 09:32 AM
Re: Obama vs McCain
[Re: Ezorisu]
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GG, the silly thing is that he shares none of the common history of most African Americans. He is supported purely because of the color of his skin, a repugnant reason to vote for anyone. He's half "black", half "white" - does he identify himself as one or the other? Nope. What of the white/Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/other people who voted for him? Were they supporting him because he was black? For some, the answer is probably yes. there is going to be a huge about written about why people voted for Obama and lots of digging into what it means. Some people I'm sure did vote for him because of his color - I mean, jeezus, people decide who they vote for based on all sorts of crazy and irrational reasons so this isn't different, just a bit hypocritcial. I reckon there were even people who voted for Obama out of a sense of history - here was a genuine contender to be the first black president. That naturally is going to draw support from some people. I think I even saw some press commentary about how the media tended to favor Obama for largely the same reason - his story, the story of the first black president, made good copy and the notion became selffulling. Interesting that Obama still only got 52% of the vote. There are some serious cultural divides in the US, it seems.
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#290964 - Fri Nov 07 2008 09:57 AM
Re: Obama vs McCain
[Re: The Gimp]
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Some people I'm sure did vote for him because of his color - I mean, jeezus, people decide who they vote for based on all sorts of crazy and irrational reasons so this isn't different, just a bit hypocritcial. I reckon there were even people who voted for Obama out of a sense of history - here was a genuine contender to be the first black president. That naturally is going to draw support from some people. Particularly first time voters I would imagine. Those who have never before been motivated to bother to vote might have been inspired by these things to be a part of history and a new chapter...
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#290980 - Fri Nov 07 2008 11:00 AM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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It reminds me a bit of when Diana died and everyone went to Buckingham Palace to lay flowers.
I asked my mum: 'Why are you going there? you have no interest in the royals and you didnt like Diana.'
Her response: 'Well, you know, everyone is going aren't they? its a big moment in history'
This is when I started to realise that importance of the snowball effect. Superficially it seemed like everyone was there to pay respects to Diana, when in fact most people are there to say they were there, or to gawp at what is going on. I can totally believe that this is what happened with Obama too. (Having said that, I do think he was genuinely a strong candidate.)
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#290986 - Fri Nov 07 2008 12:00 PM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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Interesting that Obama still only got 52% of the vote. There are some serious cultural divides in the US, it seems. True, but by that 52%, some of those divides are falling down. If everyone voted purely along racial lines (all black people voted for Barry, and all white people voted for McC), then he would have lost just based on population. It is good to see that at least a fair percentage of people voted for whom they believed in, and not for a candidate of their race. It would have been nicer to have seen a larger margin!
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#290987 - Fri Nov 07 2008 12:05 PM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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This is when I started to realise that importance of the snowball effect. Superficially it seemed like everyone was there to pay respects to Diana, when in fact most people are there to say they were there, or to gawp at what is going on. I can totally believe that this is what happened with Obama too. (Having said that, I do think he was genuinely a strong candidate.) Most definitely. This is true amongst the media, bloggers, people interviewed at rallys, etc. They all want to be seen and say their "I told you so's". It's the YouTube reaction video phenomenon - people want to somehow grasp at their moment in the spotlight by grabbing ahold of something in the popular spotlight. Same thing happened on 11 Sept, Shuttle disaster #1 and #2. ...And yes, he won on his own merits!
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#291654 - Thu Nov 13 2008 06:52 PM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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You know if Palin did make a run for it, she would surely be doomed. There are too many reasonable and intelligent people to let that particular nightmare come true. (Yes, I know we have had Bush, but we can't make the mistake again and again...) Agree muchly with what you post up there Mamabear. I do think if Obama would have been 'white', he would have trounced McCain even more. Doesn't matter now though 
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#291801 - Fri Nov 14 2008 02:40 PM
Re: Obama vs McCain
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Something like that.
What, thursday, if she won?
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