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#281204 - Fri Aug 08 2008 02:58 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: Mantas]
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Mantas, I think I'm a non-beleiver. Not because I reckon I have a better idea of the science or anything. It is just that the more something is hyped the less I am inclined to buy into it. Seems as if we never had bad weather before GW came along. Apparently we all lived in a green garden blessed with warm but not too warm summers and cool but not too cool winters and plenty of rain when we needed it. Almost without fail any calamitous weather event is ascribed to GW - it seems to be the default response given without any real justification.
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#281205 - Fri Aug 08 2008 03:17 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: Rag-Doll]
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I just finished reading Tim Flannery's The Weather makers. It was full of science (much of which went over my head) with very little hype. The size and scale of the data collected over thousands of years is staggering.
Actually the weather and what we feel has FA to do with GW. Some areas are getting colder. It makes me laugh when we ahave a cold day in summer or a good winter snow fall and people say "pffft...Global warming is a load of bollocks".

At the end of the last ice age, global temps rose by 5 deg over 700 years. A classic example of GW NOT caused by humans. This time we are expected to have a similar rise in temp over 100 years! The difference this time is that nature wont be able to adapt in time.

I've had a good look at both sides of the arguement now, the information has had some time to rattle around in this little walnut of a brain, and at this stage I'd say I'm a believer.
(I would love to be proved wrong)
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#281206 - Fri Aug 08 2008 04:16 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: Mantas]
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Climate change ought to be separated from the greenhouse gas GW concept which has us all living in a crowded sand pit by the end of 2100. I'm all for climate change. I reckon that is definitely going on and localised changes due to farming and land clearance and water usage is definitely taking place and probably has been taking place in different forms for litteraly ages.

As for whether CO2 is going to be the down fall of the human race and Gore is right, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. It's going to be an interesting 50 years.
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#281234 - Fri Aug 08 2008 05:53 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: Rag-Doll]
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Why not just start thinking about using renewable resources now instead of in xx years time when it all runs out?

Be Prepared is what i learnt in Boy Scouts.

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#281258 - Fri Aug 08 2008 08:40 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: kokodoko]
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I'm resigned to the fact that we are going to be living in a different world in 30 years time (if I'm still around). The best thing to do is try and adapt.
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#281287 - Sat Aug 09 2008 05:09 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: Mantas]
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Another reason not to subject new life into this world.
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#281292 - Sat Aug 09 2008 05:36 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: grungy-gonads]
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absolutely not. A brave new world. We don't have the solutions, we only have the contemporary technologies. In my lifetime there will be hydrogen fuel cell cars, wind poweer coming to mainstream, wave energy power plants, seawater osmosis desalination supplies, solar powered houses and still nuclear weapons.

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#281293 - Sat Aug 09 2008 05:38 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: thursday]
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The next generation will fix what we have identified what needs fixing. What am I bringing you up for?

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#281296 - Sat Aug 09 2008 05:44 PM Re: Squabbling over the "arctic map" [Re: thursday]
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I will leave it to your offspring to deal with the mess thursday.
I have every faith in them. wink
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